Pues yo creo que ha llegado el momento que se pongan un par de obviedades en los comentarios del "CF", así que me pongo a ello 

To those worried about the amount of SG and its gaps, I think is time to state some obvious facts (at least IMHO):

1) This campaign is NOT a Crowfunding, it's a discounted presale. A 20% discount exactly (68$ instead of 85$).
2) The amount of final content of Undertow (including the SG) has NOTHING to do with the amount of money pledged, BUT the content decided by the creators when creating the game, time ago.
3) CTG didn't need the KS to create&develop&produce the game, the game is already created, developed and probably in production by now.
4) The creators obviously expected a higher funding, at least during the first days of the KS, and they suited the SG gaps to keep the final content being "unlocked" during all the campaign to keep interest on it. If needed they'll just adapt the amount of content being "unlocked" to get to the final amount that they already decided.
5) Don't expect the same amount of value/$ on this expansion compared to the core game. Once you have the costumer "captive" of your product, there's no need to give the same amount of value, so creator can get a higher benefit from the sales. And this is not wrong, cause now costumers are getting a product with much less risk than the first time, cause it has been deeply reviewed.
6) For new costumers, Core game is a better option than Undertow+Addons. You would need the basic pledge+2 gearlocs +1 encounter addon to have a comparable amount of content, and that would cost 68+25+25+25= 143$ instead of the 125$ to get the core... and you would still be messing 4 tyrants by doing so. Probably a couple of them will be "unlocked" during the campaign, but anyway, for newcomers, TMB v3 is a better option, value wise. Anyway you can always get the low budget option: undertow+shipping for 91$ and get extra content via ctg web if you feel like it.
7) The games looks awesome, and all people who plays it falls in love with it, so it's a discount not to be missed.

  Coincido en que no es una campaña sino una preventa de un juego con un material ya decidido.

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Totalmente de acuerdo

Pues totalmente de acuerdo también. De hecho, para el que no quiera esto 'as soon as possible' tampoco es tanto perder 17$ y pagarlo cuando esté en tienda.

Cita de: zholtar en Octubre 22, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
To those worried about the amount of SG and its gaps, I think is time to state some obvious facts (at least IMHO):

1) This campaign is NOT a Crowfunding, it's a discounted presale. A 20% discount exactly (68$ instead of 85$).
2) The amount of final content of Undertow (including the SG) has NOTHING to do with the amount of money pledged, BUT the content decided by the creators when creating the game, time ago.
3) CTG didn't need the KS to create&develop&produce the game, the game is already created, developed and probably in production by now.
4) The creators obviously expected a higher funding, at least during the first days of the KS, and they suited the SG gaps to keep the final content being "unlocked" during all the campaign to keep interest on it. If needed they'll just adapt the amount of content being "unlocked" to get to the final amount that they already decided.
5) Don't expect the same amount of value/$ on this expansion compared to the core game. Once you have the costumer "captive" of your product, there's no need to give the same amount of value, so creator can get a higher benefit from the sales. And this is not wrong, cause now costumers are getting a product with much less risk than the first time, cause it has been deeply reviewed.
6) For new costumers, Core game is a better option than Undertow+Addons. You would need the basic pledge+2 gearlocs +1 encounter addon to have a comparable amount of content, and that would cost 68+25+25+25= 143$ instead of the 125$ to get the core... and you would still be messing 4 tyrants by doing so. Probably a couple of them will be "unlocked" during the campaign, but anyway, for newcomers, TMB v3 is a better option, value wise. Anyway you can always get the low budget option: undertow+shipping for 91$ and get extra content via ctg web if you feel like it.
7) The games looks awesome, and all people who plays it falls in love with it, so it's a discount not to be missed.

Se puede decir más alto, pero no más claro. Bravo.

+1000

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Pues parece que la cosa va surtiendo efecto: copio-pego de la última actualización. En resumen, que están al loro y que van a hacer una actualización sobre los SGs explicando cómo lo tienen organizado (otra cosa es que nos convenzan las explicaciones...).

Greetings Gearlocs!

Shorter update today, but wanted to let you know that we are reading and seeing all the comments, particularly those about Stretch Goals. We are planning a Spotlight all about Stretch Goals for early this week. Hopefully it will answer your questions and enlighten you a bit on how we go about planning and offering them. Beyond that, enjoy today's Spotlight on our latest accessory, our brand new neoprene dice rolling trays!

As always, thanks for all your support, and we'll see you in the comments!

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Seguramente la previsión no es la q esperaban y la tendencia a la baja pues tampoco....
Ellos tienen la llave está claro.
A ver esos SG si levantan la campaña

Seguramente la previsión no es la q esperaban y la tendencia a la baja pues tampoco....
Ellos tienen la llave está claro.
A ver esos SG si levantan la campaña

Lo que van a explicar es su visión sobre Kickstarter y los SGs, no se yo si cambiarán el planteamiento.

De todas formas se ha "desbloqueado" una carta de encuentro (Stick together o algo así) por las historias de las actualizaciones. Igual van a seguir esa senda, ir desbloqueando cosillas según la historia vaya tomando forma.

Anteriormente también se "consiguió" que una de las habilidades de Duster tuviera dos usos posibles. Lógicamente suena a que está todo más que previsto, pero bueno, es una manera como cualquier otra de ir enseñando cositas.

He entrado con el pledge de TMB + Undertow, pero ya se me va de precio y no quiero meterle addons. Me surge una duda sobre comprar luego en su tienda on-line: las maravillosas aduanas.

¿alguien ha comprado y me puede orientar si hay luego problemas con nuestros amigos de hacienda? Lo digo pq si más adelante quiero el libro de campaña, algún personaje adicional o alguna de las pijadillas que ofrecen... me meten el palo adicional del 21% de aduanas?

Un saludo!!

Cita de: Togul en Octubre 23, 2017, 09:07:53 PM
He entrado con el pledge de TMB + Undertow, pero ya se me va de precio y no quiero meterle addons. Me surge una duda sobre comprar luego en su tienda on-line: las maravillosas aduanas.

¿alguien ha comprado y me puede orientar si hay luego problemas con nuestros amigos de hacienda? Lo digo pq si más adelante quiero el libro de campaña, algún personaje adicional o alguna de las pijadillas que ofrecen... me meten el palo adicional del 21% de aduanas?

Un saludo!!

¿Pero estos no están en UK? Si es que sí, de momento son UE...

Ellos son americanos, pero ya tienen centro de distribución en Europa, así que no hay problemas de aduanas.

Su tienda de UK es la misma que la Americana o tienen una web diferente?