Se trata de un juego que lleva mucho tiempo descatalogado y del que se pedía a gritos una reimpresión.
Curiosamente la editorial le ha pegado un lavado de cara completo, que a algunos horrorizará y a otros les parecerá estupendo. Además, parece que se va a añadir un 5º jugador (hasta ahora era para 2-4) y algunas reglas adicionales.
Aquí está el enlace: http://www.spiele-offensive.de/cf.php?projekt=17. (http://www.spiele-offensive.de/cf.php?projekt=17.)
A ver con qué nos salen!. Y, sobre todo, el precio ;)
Muchas gracias por el aporte, he oído hablar a los veteranos alguna vez sobre este juego, a ver is está a la altura, que para mí seguro que lo está, ya que nunca he jugado, no tengo una primera impresión de él.
Mantennos informados cuando salga!!
Karma asignado.
Interesante aporte!
Yo tengo el antiguo y siempre he creido que era un juego de 2 mas que de 4 y esa nueva oción a 5 ??? no se no se
Yo lo tngo para probar ... y le tengo ganas.... a ver si saco tiempo
Con la expansión del Banquete y La nueva Sociedad se incluye la opcion de un 5 jugador.
Para mi la edición antigua tiene un grafismo excepcional, antiguo pero con un encanto dificil de conseguir estos tiempos. La nueva edicion parece Disney, puajjj y donde se han dejado a Pedro el Grande en la portada...
Igual deberían poner como SG recibir las cartas antiguas para quien las prefiera ;)
Todavía nada, estos alemanes... Aquí estoy yo en el curro F5ando a ver si lo sacan de una vez!
Pues ya está aquí:
http://www.spiele-offensive.de/cf.php?projekt=17. (http://www.spiele-offensive.de/cf.php?projekt=17.)
Se paga a tocateja, no cuando acabe el plazo como KS. No he leído todavía los detalles, que los espacios de 40€ con firma volaban ;)
Sinceramente, 47€ por el San Petersburgo (35+12€ de gasto de envío) lo veo más de lo que pagare por el cuando lo tengan la tiendas on-líne las próximas Navidades, aunque no tenga Strecht Goals.
Lo de la estética de este juego no tiene arreglo, no se cuál me gusta menos la antigua o esta...
Pues sí, también a mí me parece una pasada.
He preguntado a los comentarios si se pueden añadir varios juegos para que se envíen juntos en esos 12€ de gastos de envío. Si es así, y alguien de Madrid quiere unirse a mi pedido, nos los repartimos ;)
Yo soy de Madrid y estoy interesado, ya me contaras porque mega pedido de este no hay, no??
Lo podéis gestionar entre vosotros y contad con mi ayuda para lo que sea, fijar un tema, lista etc....
Buenas!. Esto es lo que acabo de poner en labsk (http://labsk.net/index.php?topic=129876.0):
CitarHola!
Me han confirmado que los gastos de envío son planos, que se pueden mandar hasta 20-25 juegos en un pack pagando sólo los 12 euros. Lo que no me ha entendido la tía es lo de respetarme mi tier, pero bueno. Otro poco más de cachondeo con esta campaña lo de tener a gente atendiendo en inglés sin tener mucha idea (para mí que estaba tirando de Google Translate).
En fin... la oferta no es maravillosa, hay packs de 2x85 (42.5 + 12/2 = 48.5€ por cabeza), 3x120 (40 + 12/3 = 44€ por cabeza), y 10x400 (40 + 12/10 = 41.2€ por cabeza). En todos los casos, el nivel que apuntan no es el Baron (estándar) de 35€, sino el de 50€ (más dinero, expansión de emergencia y nombre en el manual). Así que hay que enfrentar esos 48.5/44/41.2€ con los 35+12=47€ que pagaríais si os apuntárais al normal o los 50+12=62€ si os apuntárais al nivel de 50€.
Lo malo de esta campaña es que el cobro es inmediato, con lo que necesitaríamos saber a, digamos, una semana de la finalización los que somos para hacer las cuentas, y tener la pasta en mano antes de hacer el pago final, que tengo la cuenta temblando después de tanta campaña ;)
En cuanto a entregas... me voy a mudar tanto de curro como de casa, pero si no hay sorpresas calculo que para octubre estaré currando en la zona de Castellana norte, y viviendo en la zona norte de Madrid.
Es la primera cosa de éstas que gestiono, aviso :P
Me temo que aquí no hay nada que rascar más aparte de repartirnos los gastos de envío, pero si consigo contactar con alguien que hable mejor inglés (ALGO de inglés, vamos), lo sigo intentando.
Bueno, sin ser lo que queremos del todo, parece que algo se progresa:
Citareagerly awaited new Stretchgoals
A short summary of the text below for the English speaking supporters:
"HiG thanks all of you for your trust and support. Also they announce new Stretchgoals, including parts of the "New society Expansion"
These are the main facts of the statement:
1. Mistress of Ceremony and Observatory were already adjusted for the new base game
2. the 5th player is also already implemented in the basic game
3. the next stretchgoal will include some cards of the former "New Society Expansion" (not the ones for 5th player or to change balance)
4. if the stretchgoal above is reached, a new option will be added for fans of the original "New Society" cards. This can be added to the pledge to get these in new design
5. HiG is currently working and testing 2 more possible expansions for SP that might be added later in the funding period.
Your Spieleschmiede Team
y la parrafada alemán pasada por el translate:
CitarLonged , further improvements
First of all, we want to sincerely thank all our supporters ! Thank you so much confidence has shown in us !
We are on the success ? in the truest sense of the word ? overwhelmed. We have already been working on improving it for you, but we wanted to write anything that does not really have hand and foot. Therefore, and because of course we also edit any other projects as St. Petersburg, we apologize if it takes a little bit with our response . We are car guys to be a small publisher .
After everything went so fast now , a lot has been building up , and we now want to describe the important from our point of view points in more detail.
There is quite a lot , so here is a short summary:
? The cards governess and observatory are already for the basic game
adjusted.
? The 5th player is also already possible in the base game .
? The next improvement target will be some maps of the expansion ? In the best
Society ? include . There will also be another reward option if the goal is reached .
? We are working feverishly to further opportunities for you.
Now everything a little more detail :
Maximum controversially discussed :
It is often after enlargement ? In good company ? created by Tom Lehmann and Karl Heinz Schmiel , which appeared a few years ago .
In anticipation , yes, the governess , the observatory and some other cards have been slightly adapted by us for the new base game . So it must not be exchanged cards before the game, not even if you should play without the new phase ! ( the corresponding maps in ? extension in good company ? therefore do not fit )
Likewise, the 5th player was integrated by the new phase.
It should here be noted that the replacement of some cards, it is proposed in the extension, in turn, is regarded by some as needed from other unnecessary. There are many thousands of players who have played thousands of games , and they find that the game balanced as completely . Those are the different opinion , as the other way around like this too please respect , indeed .
Nevertheless, we have much rebuilt in the game , especially the new phase
brings changes that affect the balance of the game ( as some of you already guessed it, had ;)) .
This therefore means that a large part of the card that contains the extension , not
are no longer necessary .
Still remain the additional cards from the ? In good company ? Extension. To make them available, we have already made contact with Tom Lehmann, the author of this map . This has already been very positive this and the following will be the next target improvement
appear :
The 12 cards from the expansion ? In good company ? , Which are not required for the old version 5 player and not the cards that have replaced other original maps from the base game .
In the moment in which the improvement will be achieved, also set the option ? Purists will be in good company for new to come in the rewards ? :
Each blacksmith can then the remaining cards from the expansion ? In good company ? Add additional and optional if it increases its funding contribution something . ( So the original map for the 5th player , as well as the cards, the other replaced in the style of the new Saint Petersburg. )
Other improvements include:
We are currently preparing two more small modules that after the translation Tom Lehmann-
Improvement ? appear .
Unfortunately, we can not simply out of the hat improvements.
We have to calculate with a sharp pencil , so that the project remains viable . And last but not least the possible modules should be well integrated and
of course, be properly tested !
See with great pleasure and we hear that many fans want to get involved with new ideas. This is very nice and as I said, we notice this , think about it and let one or the other already be calculated . Please have but
Understand that we can not comment on everything transpose nor us immediately. In order to be always approachable and always , we are a publisher or too small
You may still be curious to see if maybe one or two more options come :) .
Not quite uncritically the improvement Saint Petersburg was added to bring in the board game world. We did this a little surprised , to be honest .
We wanted to thank all the previous fans and supporters by making the game available worldwide. So everyone who wants this can free play with whomever he wants.
If these improvements are implemented, no supporters lose anything , so it will not cause damage to anyone . One could even say there will be many happy . Would it not be able to say nice, you took part in something that makes many other pleasure ?
On we go to an even better St. Petersburg :)!
Regards Moritz Brunnhofer , in the name of Hans im Glück Verlag
A ver si progresa la cosa...
Tom Lehmann (autor de New Society) en la BGG:
CitarI've now been contacted by Hans im Glück and have the following to report. For more details, see the St. Petersburg crowd-funding page.
* Hans im Glück has added a New Society sub-set (12 cards) as a stretch goal.
If this goal is met, all backers get this mini-expansion.
This mini-expansion includes most of the *new* cards (Sycophants, Debtor's Prison, Mayor, Lt. Kije, Textile Factory, etc.). It does NOT include the New Farmers, copies of existing cards, nor the revised cards.
* If this stretch goal is met, backers can buy the other 24 New Society cards, including the 7 revised cards (Mistress, Observatory, etc.), as an optional add-on.
This add-on will be priced at cost. If not enough add-on pledges are received to make printing the add-on viable, any money pledged for the add-on will be returned.
With the add-on, players who want to use the revised cards or play the original rules with just the New Society can do so with the new edition.
Hans im Glück doesn't want to include any revised cards or the New Society 5th player rules with the new edition. I understand this -- they prefer their 5th player Market mechanism, which they believe rebalances the game so that revised cards aren't needed, and feel that providing multiple versions of some cards would confuse new players.
But, Hans im Glück appreciates that some players may disagree, so they are willing to do this as an add-on to give those players the option to play as they prefer with the new St. Petersburg edition.
If this stretch goal is reached and enough add-on orders occur, any extra add-on sets left after filling backer orders will be made available (perhaps via the BGG store).
But, this will likely be just a few copies and a one-time offer, so the best way to ensure that you get the New Society add-on is to back the project, help Hans im Glück achieve this stretch goal, and then buy the add-on.
I'm thrilled that the New Society "fun" cards will be available to all and that Hans im Glück was willing to consider an add-on to address the concerns of those who prefer to play with the full New Society expansion, including the revised cards.
Thanks,
Tom Lehmann, New Society designer
a este hay que tenerlo en seguimiento...
Somos 5 por ahora. Mañana cierro y hago el pedido, quien quiera entrar que lo diga rapidito! ;)