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A few words, although I can only scratch the surface hereTony Graham said: „They know exactly how long it will take to manufacture x number of minis and Ludo Fact knows exactly how long board game production takes.“That is not entirely true. The difference between us and a screw manufacturer is that the screw is not a complete new design at the time of planning. A screw requires the length, diameter and material to be determined, but with a KS game, usually we do not know the parameters of the product. At the same time, in a KS campaign we cannot plan the production period as we have to wait until the files are approved for printing. In this case, as a licensed IP, there was a serious delay in approving (which does seem to continue, unfortunately, but licensing is like that; I had my share of experience with big companies from Japan, it can be like talking to a wall). We can only start planning when we have all files. Then the usual timeline starts, under the condition that the factories have the capacity. The factory that produces the minis for DS also produces some other minis, like „The Others“ for example. We chose that factory because they are the best, but when we could finally start, we were two months before CNY and all capacity was full. It was a major effort to pull this off, and we would not have been able to produce more than the base game in time, not even with several other factories involved, too.Board Game production is more about the supply chain than about knowing how long something takes, as those are all theoretical values. We have 5 suppliers for wooden pieces, for example (there are no others, at least none that guarantee to comply to all EU and US board game regulations, I only say 2009/48/EC, CPSIA and ATSM). So how can someone plan one year ahead and say „we will need to make wooden cubes for this game, only we don’t know how many – we will know after the PM – and we do not know when exactly – depends on when everything else will be ready.“ Now wooden pieces usually take between 6 and 8 weeks to be made. Large numbers can take a but longer, and during high season it is up to 10 weeks.The games industry is doing quite well. All manufacturers rely on the same suppliers. If four manufacturers have an increase of 10% in business, some suppliers have an increase of 40%. With all the uncertainties of game production which mainly involve creativity and creative persons over techincal minds that creates a melange that does not allow for a reasonable assessment of delivery dates except for me undusting my crystal ball.Cheers Frank Jaeger LUDO FACTSteven Becker haceFuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16124900#comment-16124899
Drinks? Any time! @ Tony: the guys from SFG were here on Monday and Tuesday. We had to talk a few things through for Dark Souls, Guild Ball and (... - oops, I almost let something slip. Fortunately I caught it before it got out... LOL). But I do prefer them to work on the games rather than post things here in the comment section. If that means I have to look in here from time to time, so be it. You are not forgotten.What one should keep in mind: the company was literally a handful of people during the campaign, and now they need dozens of additional people to pull this off. I cannot imagine how crazy that really is at times. I mean, I was working for Amigo in Germany during the Pokemon hype, and we went from 20 people to 60 in the shortest of times. That is not fun, and it creates all kinds of problems. How do you say so nicaly: Please, cut them a slack. It will take a bit for everything to be in your hands, but that is not unusual for a KS campaign, and the sheer size of this adds another dimension to it. Let me give you an example: producing miniatures usually takes about 8 weeks. In this case in order to get it doen in 8 weeks, SFG decided to spend additional money on a second set of molds. That is something you don't hear about or see, but SFG does care and is not afraid to do what is required to make this work. Just sometimes matters are beyond someone's control.Tony: "the question I think some people have is why did you wait to the PM to announce the SG delay" The split into two shipments was announced well before that, and the PM closed January 6th. It was soon as we could see that approvals would not come in in time for a production. I think such an announcement 6 months before the intended delivery is good. It may have felt less nice, but on paper I'd say that was more than in time. You know, one can post something like "the game will be delayed, in parts, but we don't know which ones, and we do not know until when" but can you imagine the comment section if such an announcement was made? Of course, we waited until we could say for sure when the base game would be ready, or at least with reasonable certainty, and thatit would only be the base game because we did not have the approvals complete for any expansion set. If we had, we would have shipped the base game and whatever expansion we had approved. Sadly, we did not receive any final apporoval in time. And that "in time" was end of October. Anything we would have received until then we would have made possible to ship in/arrive in April, too.It always looks a bit more evil from the outside, but what I have never experienced so far is a publisher with bad intent.Cheers Frank Jaeger LUDO FACTFuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16128104#comment-16128103
Hi everybody,thanks for the kind words. A few remarks:- I am not part of the SFG team. I may not know everything that is going on behind the scenes. - yes, the announcement was made when the PM went live. But is that not enough? It would be bad if it was made *after* the PM closed. But if you mean it should have been made when the campaign ended: we just did not know. - the factory is in Lafayette, Indiana, indeed. A pick up option at the factory is probably not possible for logistical and organizational reasons. - the 20000 sets are only the 6-miniature-sets and these are only the ones that arrived in Germany. The US receives there own containers directly. They have more than we do here in Germany at this time, but they are still waiting for the container with the playing cards which is only due in a few weeks. Shipping space around Chinese New Year was in short supply, and getting stuff en route was tricky. And still is, we still have a lead time of two weeks to get something out of a harbour. (if you want to invest: logistics may offer some nice opportunities ;-) ). - so, to recap: the US has all miniatures already, as far as I know, and is waiting for the playing cards (cards are made in China, too, and they are of great quality, printed on nice, expensive black core playing card paper - I have a sample set here and it is excellent) to arrive. Germany has 20k sets of the 6-miniature-sets, but so far none of the other sets of miniatures or the playing cards.I am waiting myself for that, but there is nothing we can do to speed up a ship that is somewhere about the horn of Africa or in the middle of the Pacific or to make customs work faster.Cheers Frank Jaeger LUDO FACTFuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16136723#comment-16136722
@ Gervill: no, I do not have the finall trays because we split the miniature box into two to accomodate the playing cards. But it is likely a transparent tray, shaped to hold the miniatures nicely tight.@ Manga John I don't know. What I expect is that the german backers will be get their games directly from us. For everything else it will probably be a hub in a different country, but I do not know where.Cheers Frank.Fuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16138182#comment-16138181
Good morning, everybody,I saw there were a few questions that require addressing.Miniatures will all come assembled. At least for the base game I am absolutely certain, I have the models all here. And they do fit in the game box (which is quote large, by the way).Sleeved Cards: Well, the cards come in a plastic tray that won't hold sleeved cards. Whyt I did not tray is to just remove the tray and put the cards in without it. That may worl, although I fear the height of the sleeves cards will be too large. But then you will have unpunched the boards and... well, we will see. The first who tries can comment here. It is only a few weeks away.Armor set: I have absolutely no idea. Not all approved yet, so I don't have anything.@ Tony Graham: yes, I understand you. I do not know any details about it, and possible answers could range from "we thought we'd get the PM going any minute" to "we did not think of it" to "we wanted the sh**storm to start later" to "it was raining in Manchester". I have no idea. As a backer I am usually quite relaxed because I am aware that there is a lot going on behind the scenes - for exmaple "Fleet Commander Genesis" which is delayed. I honestly find that everything but a cause for complaint although the delay is likely a few months. I have enough games to play, I am sure the publisher is not happy about it either, and me whining won't make the world turn faster. So things like this usually do not show up on my radar. (Oh, and I often am surprised by stuff that shows up on my doorstep when I forgot entirely thatg I backed something, but that may be old age... LOL ).Cheers Frank Jaeger Ludo FactFuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16160603#comment-16160602
Hello everybody,yes, I am back from GAMA. So what is the status? Well, let's start with Europe: we just received the last container with the playing cards so now everything is booked and assembly is planned. Looks like all is on track for leaving in March to the fulfilment centers.Now to the US: I think all parts from China are there. We had a bit of shipping damage and some card sets were destroyed - death by forklift - so my colleague are sorting through several pallets of card trays to make sure all damaged ones are taken out. What is still missing are the wooden cubes which we have made in Germany and will be flying over this week to arrive next week, if customs allows.Why are we making the wooden pieces in Germany? Well, first because these 8x8x8mm Euro-cubes are not produced in the US usualy. We have a supplier there who does great stuff but he is still new to the industry and we need to work with him a bit on pricing. Secondly, we want the cubes to have the same colour everywhere. Due to toy regulations, not all colours are possible any more and since every factory has their own supplier for colours, those differ a bit from factory to factory. So all cubes come from the same factory and colours will be identical between US and Germany.Intermission - Which, by the way, is something we work to avoid as much as possible, but will not be able to completely: the US version and the Euro version will have some small differences. Both parts of the world have different paper and different cardboard, in thickness as in the fabrics used to create the board, and we have two print runs which will likely differ a bit. We will likely be able to tell the two production runs apart, more or less easily. I am sure we'll have a nice time with "the US Assassin looks nicer" and "I like the Euro paper" and "the red on the US tokens is a bit brighter than the Euro one, I like that better".Back @ topic: What I have seen yesterday via Skype was a proof sheet of the player boards in the US. The toolmaker did arrange the boards differently on the tool than we did and our US colleagues wanted to check if that makes a difference. It does not, but better safe than sorry.So, assembly has not started, but will start soon in Germany and a little further down the road in the US, too. I cannot tell you a date, but I will let you know when I have the first copy in my hands and send SFG a few pictures of that as well. Then the games go to the fulfilment centers truck by truck - there are about 2500 games on one full truck - to be sent to the backers.Stay tuned for more updates in the near future...Cheers Frank Jaeger Ludo FactFuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16238441#comment-16238440
Sorry for being unclear: Ludo Fact needs the games to leave the premises when ready, we cannot store over 300 pallets until everything is done. The same goes for fulfilment, I assume (I only assume as I do not know which company will do the fulfilment for which territory), they can probably not turn around more than 2500 games per day. So this will be an ongoing process.When will you have the game in your hands? That depends on where you live from the fulfilment center and in which order the games are despatched. The German backers will probably be despatched from our sister company Ludo Packt so I'd say two days after assembly the German backers will have their games. But: I cannot say when the German games will be made. Will it be the first language or the last one?We want everything out asap and in your hands as soon as possible, definitely before the retail release, of course. And if we were talking about 400 games or even 4000, I could easily say "not a problem", but with 40000 (or what the final number is after the pledge manager) the operation is too large to give you dates. Generally, the capacity at Ludo Fact for assembling is bigger than a truck a day in the US, and in Germany we could assemble all games in two days, easily, and produce another 40000 games on the side at the same time (right now we produce 220000 games per week in our factory in Germany). But as I said - a fulfilment center we hit with 8 trucks at the same time will probably only break down (I know our friends at Ludo Packt would, and they do have a large operation here) so we need to spread it out a bit.No use fretting about it right now. Be assured it is as much in our own interested to get this going, we at Ludo Fact have 5 container loads of components in each warehouse - that means app. 180 to 220 pallets worth of stuff - which we need to turn around, so nobody is delaying anything, au contraire, we try to speed everything up as much as possible. But we all - that is Ludo Fact, SFG and the fulfilment centers - also need it to be done properly and with as few mistakes as possible, and that is a challenge in its own right.Better not to try to calculate when you will receive the game. You cannot. I cannot. We'll start shipping in March, but I currently cannot say when the last one will be done, shipped and received. As soon as we can say more, we certainly will. I promise.Cheers Frank Jaeger Ludo FactFuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16238788#comment-16238787
- Comenta que la versión de EEUU y la de Europa serán un poco diferentes en tema materiales, se están haciendo 2 imprentas diferentes (asumo que una en Alemania y otra en EEUU) y cada una tiene unos papeles y cartones diferentes, por lo que aunque cojan mismos grosores y tal... No pueden ser 100% iguales. A mi personalmente no me gusta que diga que " "the US Assassin looks nicer" and "I like the Euro paper" and "the red on the US tokens is a bit brighter than the Euro one, I like that better". ". Pero bueno, espero que sean diferencias apenas apreciables.
Pues a mi me ha encantado el comentario. Viene a decir "os conozco como si os hubiera parido y daréis por culo por tonterías como que el color rojo de la edición americana es un 7,3% mas saturado que el de la edición europea y se ve mejor, lo cual me indigna como mecenas europeo y exijo compensación, o que el tablero de la edición europea es un 0,00000012 mm mas grueso y me siento ultrajado de tener una edición inferior solo por ser mecenas americano, exijo compensación" y demás tonterías del estilo.Que si, que los cambios posiblemente sean un poco mas sustanciales que mi ejemplo, pero no deberían afectar el disfrute del juego... pero aún así nos quejaremos.
@ Gervill Froad: no delay. We are talking about a few dozen sets of cards out of several ten Thouand. Not to worry. Just a nuisance for the team in the US.@ nogurb: No, sorry, I have no idea. I really do not know which territory will be fulfilled from which fulfilment center.@ the German backers: well, if I had a say in that you would be last because mailing is shortest to you. I assume we will start with English language, then the other European languages except german, which comes last. That is what I would expect as it seems to me the most logical order to ensure that all backers get their games fastest.Frank.Fuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16239846#comment-16239845
@ Steven Becker: Yes, indeed, you are right. That is how we will do it! (Only we will probably choose the *last* day of production for that LOL ) I don't know, maybe SFG has a different agenda. But, you know, whatever happens and whatever order the games will be made in, one thing I can say with absolute certainty: I will have the first copy off the assembly belt. Take that! Har har har... (mine is an evil laugh)..Fuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16240018#comment-16240017
Are you aware why they did put the retail release to that date? Bandai announced DS3 - The Fire Fades Edition for April 21st. That is too great a chance for promotion to miss under any circumstances.https://www.bandainamcoent.de/produkt/dark-souls-iii-the-fire-fades-edition/playstation-4Fuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16241347#comment-16241346
KS backers should have the game before retail release. That is what we are working towards.Fuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16241361#comment-16241360
I can understand that. While I am a really bad example as I simply don't care when my stuff arrives from projects I backed (like Fleet Commander Genesis - I am sure Capsicum will send me the game when they can; they had copies at the show in Cannes four weeks ago so I guess I don't have to wait too long, but I am not bothered at all if the whole world has the game before me; I backed them because I thought the game looked fun and I wanted to support them) I understand that you want to have it before it hits the shelves. That should work but a "Gloomhaven"-situation would be something that would indeed harm the delivery. I had not heard of that before but now I feel very bad for Tristan as he is a really nice guy and I am quite certain that it was very unexpected to him, and painful.@ Emanuelle Avila Rodriguez I am not sure I understand. Let me try: We will start assembling games next week, at least in Germany. For the US I don't know yet, Germany already received the printed sheets for the player boards, but I know that the US hasn't. Then we plan to despatch games to the fulfilment centers truckload by truckload, and then the fulfilment begins. From that point on the games are out of my hand and sight and I'll wait like you do (yes, I pledged, too, if only £1. But when I told some friends they asked if I could increase it in the pledge manager so I upped my pledge to 2 games. I will hear first hand when the games will have arrived).Frank Jaeger Ludo FactFuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16241674#comment-16241673
Fantástico. Gracias por la info. Tengo unas ganas de recibir el juego que me muero.Por cierto, el día 28 de marzo, dentro de 6 días, sale la última expansión de Dark Souls 3, La ciudad anillada. Imagino que es uno de los grandes motivos por los cuales se han esmerado en sacar el juego a su hora, justo al mismo tiempo que llega la expansión. Yo tengo mi PJ en la hoguera esperando que abran las puertas de la ciudad, me va a faltar tiempo para jugar a todo xD
@ Martin Aas Andersen I never called you Nancy! ;-) But I do indeed prefer to look on the positive side. If that is a character flaw, I am guilty.That being said, Germany is still on course to send out the first batch of games to the fulfilment center in March. Yesterday I saw the first punched boards being made. We had to make a few corrections to the tool. The punch outs for the cubes in the player mats were tilted a bit and each one had a slight "nick" where the steel ridges meet. That is something you will all have noticed before in several games: if you have a square token, sometimes you can see a small nick on one side, usually about the middle of one of the sides. In order to punch the pieces out of the board, a steel ridge called the "die" is inserted into a wooden board. That is used - with a pressure of several hundred tons - to punch through the board. Now, this die is one piece of steel that is bent into shape. Of course, the sides of the steel have to meet somewhere. That is the weak part of the die. The pressure of constant punching can lead to a tiny gap or shift in the die. That has to be corrected occasionally by the operator of the punching machine. Yesterday, that nick was was too prominent and my colleagues have been adjustung the die. While we cannot always completely eliminate these nicks, we try to make them as small as possible. When I am done writing this, I will go over to the factory to check if we have already commenced the real punching process. That gives you an indication that we are indeed only a few days away from assembly, because several ten thousand sets of punched pieces also require a lot of space. And we can punch about 2000 operations per hour. Dark Souls has three such operations per game, so depending on the number of machine we use, we can have the equivalent of 650 to 2000 games worth of boards done per hour.For the US, I cannot say. I know they have been testing a varnish yesterday, so they are likely a bit behind us. But their operation is smaller, so what takes 2 weeks for us can be done in 2 days in Indiana.I'll tell you more once I know more. Promise.Cheers Frank Jaeger LUDO FACTFuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16273639#comment-16273638
We will try to make English first. These games have the longest distance to travel to the fulfillment center. The whole production will only take a few days, so the difference in time is small anyway.]We will try to make English first. These games have the longest distance to travel to the fulfillment center. The whole production will only take a few days, so the difference in time is small anyway.Fuente: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/comments?cursor=16274098#comment-16274097
